Comments on: Redeeming the Ill-fated Re:Greek Project: a Call for Participation http://openscriptures.org/blog/2009/03/redeeming-the-ill-fated-regreek-project-a-call-for-participation/ Platform for the development of open scriptural linked data and its applications. Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:40:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Christianity and Copyright (2): The Practical Problem | The Library Basement http://openscriptures.org/blog/2009/03/redeeming-the-ill-fated-regreek-project-a-call-for-participation/#comment-12590 Christianity and Copyright (2): The Practical Problem | The Library Basement Sat, 05 Feb 2011 04:48:53 +0000 http://openscriptures.org/?p=49#comment-12590 [...] many people, the shutdown of Zack Hubert’s Greek website is the epitome of the practical problem of copyright restrictions on Christian texts. The website [...] [...] many people, the shutdown of Zack Hubert’s Greek website is the epitome of the practical problem of copyright restrictions on Christian texts. The website [...]

]]> By: oneaustin http://openscriptures.org/blog/2009/03/redeeming-the-ill-fated-regreek-project-a-call-for-participation/#comment-11755 oneaustin Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:24:44 +0000 http://openscriptures.org/?p=49#comment-11755 What is the current status of regreek.com and/or zhubert.com? Its a shame such a fantastic resource is unavailable. What is the current status of regreek.com and/or zhubert.com? Its a shame such a fantastic resource is unavailable.

]]> By: pphhiilliip dduuttttoonn http://openscriptures.org/blog/2009/03/redeeming-the-ill-fated-regreek-project-a-call-for-participation/#comment-5307 pphhiilliip dduuttttoonn Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:04:04 +0000 http://openscriptures.org/?p=49#comment-5307 Hi all. I am in distress learning that zhubert.com is gone. A few years ago I discovered it. At the time I did not know anything about Biblical languages. I just used to browse the sight looking for potentially "cool" Koine phrases of which I entertained the idea of getting a tattoo. I was totally ignorant of how cool Koine is. Now I am studying Mounce's "basics" books. I am learning for free from guys over at http://ad70.net/podcast/category/greek/ for free as they are teaching via a "live" Wednesday night internet radio show (and recorded podcast). People who love Koine go through so much sacrifice for their passion. Now I am getting bit by the Koine bug and started to code some web quizzes to help myself and other students. I am a 13 year software engineer veteran. I must say it is a challenge to work with polytonic Greek (finding fonts, working with unicode, dealing with emacs and my Dvorak keyboard layout, etc.). Well I hope to plug into the group of biblical-tech-geeks and with plenty of optimism I hope to contribute in any way possible. Blessings and Peace! ~flypaper Hi all.
I am in distress learning that zhubert.com is gone. A few years ago I discovered it. At the time I did not know anything about Biblical languages. I just used to browse the sight looking for potentially “cool” Koine phrases of which I entertained the idea of getting a tattoo. I was totally ignorant of how cool Koine is. Now I am studying Mounce’s “basics” books. I am learning for free from guys over at http://ad70.net/podcast/category/greek/ for free as they are teaching via a “live” Wednesday night internet radio show (and recorded podcast). People who love Koine go through so much sacrifice for their passion. Now I am getting bit by the Koine bug and started to code some web quizzes to help myself and other students. I am a 13 year software engineer veteran. I must say it is a challenge to work with polytonic Greek (finding fonts, working with unicode, dealing with emacs and my Dvorak keyboard layout, etc.). Well I hope to plug into the group of biblical-tech-geeks and with plenty of optimism I hope to contribute in any way possible. Blessings and Peace! ~flypaper

]]> By: Noi pagini pentru limba greacă a Noului Testament « Marius Cruceru http://openscriptures.org/blog/2009/03/redeeming-the-ill-fated-regreek-project-a-call-for-participation/#comment-4054 Noi pagini pentru limba greacă a Noului Testament « Marius Cruceru Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:28:34 +0000 http://openscriptures.org/?p=49#comment-4054 [...] Iată AICI o pagină interesantă…. și cîteva lămuriri. [...] [...] Iată AICI o pagină interesantă…. și cîteva lămuriri. [...]

]]> By: maria http://openscriptures.org/blog/2009/03/redeeming-the-ill-fated-regreek-project-a-call-for-participation/#comment-3801 maria Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:54:18 +0000 http://openscriptures.org/?p=49#comment-3801 Thunk you for zhubert.com. I used it succesfully to prepare for seminars at the university. It was really great. I hope something like that will be created soon. Thunk you for zhubert.com. I used it succesfully to prepare for seminars at the university. It was really great. I hope something like that will be created soon.

]]> By: thomas http://openscriptures.org/blog/2009/03/redeeming-the-ill-fated-regreek-project-a-call-for-participation/#comment-3748 thomas Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:40:16 +0000 http://openscriptures.org/?p=49#comment-3748 Is anyone taking the lead with an action plan? Here's a first draft: 1) create a legal foundation to carry on Zach's idea (?done? = this site?) 2) ask Zach & Co. if they are willing to donate all their existing software 3) assuming Yes(2), get it and install it on servers. 4) recruit a core team of volunteers (hopefully including Zach&Co). 5) recruit a legal consultant (re: NT copyright & intellectual property) 6) create an affordable-subscription-based entry portal (yes, most people will pay a small fee, even tho they wouldnt bother to make a donation; eg, i am a retiree with limited means, but would certainly send $25 from my Paypal to get things started). 7) legally notify the claimant (GBS) of intention to use their text as before, but offering a substantial % of the subscription for licensure; note our legal consultant's opinion that their copyright claim is not valid nor enforceable in this case. 8) Track A: put the site back online, pending a judgement/stay by a court of law with valid jurisdiction 9) Track B: a 'transition subteam' of programmers will make the needed modifications to Zach's interfaces in order to use other GNT versions; the legal consultant will help with contacting custodians of other GNT versions and obtaining permissions. 10) Merge(A&B): programmers will enable users to select which GNT version is the base; any version (such as the contested UBS4) that becomes unavailable would be easily disabled without fatal loss of site functionality. 11) [and (0)] ALL PRAY!!! Let me add my thanks to Zach and all who have contributed. As a software professional, I am quite sure it is best to adapt his remarkable work as directly as possible, rather than start anew. I am confident that this project is worthy and achievable. Is anyone taking the lead with an action plan?
Here’s a first draft:
1) create a legal foundation to carry on Zach’s idea (?done? = this site?)
2) ask Zach & Co. if they are willing to donate all their existing software
3) assuming Yes(2), get it and install it on servers.
4) recruit a core team of volunteers (hopefully including Zach&Co).
5) recruit a legal consultant (re: NT copyright & intellectual property)
6) create an affordable-subscription-based entry portal (yes, most people will pay a small fee, even tho they wouldnt bother to make a donation; eg, i am a retiree with limited means, but would certainly send $25 from my Paypal to get things started).
7) legally notify the claimant (GBS) of intention to use their text as before, but offering a substantial % of the subscription for licensure; note our legal consultant’s opinion that their copyright claim is not valid nor enforceable in this case.
8) Track A: put the site back online, pending a judgement/stay by a court of law with valid jurisdiction
9) Track B: a ‘transition subteam’ of programmers will make the needed modifications to Zach’s interfaces in order to use other GNT versions; the legal consultant will help with contacting custodians of other GNT versions and obtaining permissions.
10) Merge(A&B): programmers will enable users to select which GNT version is the base; any version (such as the contested UBS4) that becomes unavailable would be easily disabled without fatal loss of site functionality.
11) [and (0)] ALL PRAY!!!

Let me add my thanks to Zach and all who have contributed. As a software professional, I am quite sure it is best to adapt his remarkable work as directly as possible, rather than start anew. I am confident that this project is worthy and achievable.

]]> By: Laurel LaCivita http://openscriptures.org/blog/2009/03/redeeming-the-ill-fated-regreek-project-a-call-for-participation/#comment-3663 Laurel LaCivita Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:18:58 +0000 http://openscriptures.org/?p=49#comment-3663 I am so sorry for the loss of Zhubert.com. The website encouraged me to take up my own self-study of ancient Greek after a lapse of 10 years, and, then,to begin formal study of ancient Greek in a University. The very great value of Zhubert.com was the concordance and myriad hyperlinkings of all the words and definitions. I loved to see all possible parsings or conjugations of each word, and to locate their usages in scripture. This functionality, which was freely given, is not the work of the German Bible Society or USB4, but of the creativity of the programmer who made it available. It made word study easy, and possible. It made scripture accessible. It provided the most comprehensive English to Greek concordance of the New Testament, which no one, as far as I can tell, has provided in print or online. I don't understand why/how the German Bible society has the right to suppress such applications, which they do not provide. And, by the way, the German Bible Society's USB4 Reader's Edition (which I have purchased), is awesome, but, like any book, cannot provide the word analysis that was at your fingertips through Zhubert.com. If there is anything I can do to help transfer the functionality of Zhubert.com to another text as Westcott-Hort, as some others have proposed, let me know. Thank you Zack. I am so sorry for the loss of Zhubert.com. The website encouraged me to take up my own self-study of ancient Greek after a lapse of 10 years, and, then,to begin formal study of ancient Greek in a University. The very great value of Zhubert.com was the concordance and myriad hyperlinkings of all the words and definitions. I loved to see all possible parsings or conjugations of each word, and to locate their usages in scripture. This functionality, which was freely given, is not the work of the German Bible Society or USB4, but of the creativity of the programmer who made it available. It made word study easy, and possible. It made scripture accessible. It provided the most comprehensive English to Greek concordance of the New Testament, which no one, as far as I can tell, has provided in print or online. I don’t understand why/how the German Bible society has the right to suppress such applications, which they do not provide. And, by the way, the German Bible Society’s USB4 Reader’s Edition (which I have purchased), is awesome, but, like any book, cannot provide the word analysis that was at your fingertips through Zhubert.com. If there is anything I can do to help transfer the functionality of Zhubert.com to another text as Westcott-Hort, as some others have proposed, let me know. Thank you Zack.

]]> By: Markafeller http://openscriptures.org/blog/2009/03/redeeming-the-ill-fated-regreek-project-a-call-for-participation/#comment-3593 Markafeller Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:27:44 +0000 http://openscriptures.org/?p=49#comment-3593 I am sadden by the loss however I expect things to get far worse over time. As there is an effort to regulate the content of the net for the left, to tax it or make such sites to costly to stay on. That the church would be up to its ears with dealing with the homeless and the cost from legal problems. Also add copy write laws could be changed to use fees that also would effect even public libraries. I think it is good to save what you read and need to your hard drive. I am sadden by the loss however I expect things to get far worse over time. As there is an effort to regulate the content of the net for the left, to tax it or make such sites to costly to stay on. That the church would be up to its ears with dealing with the homeless and the cost from legal problems. Also add copy write laws could be changed to use fees that also would effect even public libraries. I think it is good to save what you read and need to your hard drive.

]]> By: Germans try to OWN the Greek NT! - Christian Forums http://openscriptures.org/blog/2009/03/redeeming-the-ill-fated-regreek-project-a-call-for-participation/#comment-2811 Germans try to OWN the Greek NT! - Christian Forums Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:12:27 +0000 http://openscriptures.org/?p=49#comment-2811 [...] info on this here: Redeeming the Ill-fated Re:Greek Project: a Call for Participation | Open Scriptures peace Nazaroo __________________ "Neither do I judge thee. Sin no more." (Jn [...] [...] info on this here: Redeeming the Ill-fated Re:Greek Project: a Call for Participation | Open Scriptures peace Nazaroo __________________ "Neither do I judge thee. Sin no more." (Jn [...]

]]> By: Nazaroo http://openscriptures.org/blog/2009/03/redeeming-the-ill-fated-regreek-project-a-call-for-participation/#comment-2810 Nazaroo Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:58:21 +0000 http://openscriptures.org/?p=49#comment-2810 We have been operating on the 'open everything' concept for many years, believing that Christians have the right and authority to give every kind of aid and assistance to one another absolutely free. The examples from Elisha & Acts inform us that "selling" the word of God or our help to fellow-Christians is basically wrong. We have worked to provide exhaustive materials for the study of John's Gospel which have been long out of print and out of copyright. We have used copyrighted material for analysis and review purposes, and we have created our own material for which the copyright has been organized under the GNU open license system. By creating our own materials we have been able to provide copious materials and usable tools like online NT texts in several languages. The attempt to prevent Christians from freely giving to one another and provide resources without charge to the world is "anti-Christ" and unbiblical. peace Nazaroo We have been operating on the ‘open everything’ concept for many years, believing that Christians have the right and authority to give every kind of aid and assistance to one another absolutely free. The examples from Elisha & Acts inform us that “selling” the word of God or our help to fellow-Christians is basically wrong.
We have worked to provide exhaustive materials for the study of John’s Gospel which have been long out of print and out of copyright. We have used copyrighted material for analysis and review purposes, and we have created our own material for which the copyright has been organized under the GNU open license system.
By creating our own materials we have been able to provide copious materials and usable tools like online NT texts in several languages.
The attempt to prevent Christians from freely giving to one another and provide resources without charge to the world is “anti-Christ” and unbiblical.

peace
Nazaroo

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